Alibi also in Hot Water with St. Charles Liquor Commission

Jan. 13 ambulance call for woman vomiting in bathroom draws two citations.

Nearly 13 months after winning its Class B-3 liquor license, the , will find itself defending that license for a second time before the St. Charles Liquor Commission.

Mayor Donald DeWitte said in an email Friday that the Alibi is scheduled to appear before the Liquor Commission on March 4, the same day , is scheduled to appear on two unrelated incidents. The Liquor Commission meets at 4:30 p.m.

The Alibi has been cited in connection with a Jan. 13, 2013 incident in which police were called to the establishment at 12:58 a.m. on a report of a woman vomiting in the bathroom. What police found was a woman on the floor surrounded by a pool of vomit, according to the report on the incident. The officer called for paramedics, and the woman began vomiting again when they arrived to check on her on her, and she was transported to a local hospital.

As a result of that incident, the Alibi has been cited with permitting an intoxicated person to loiter on the premises, and with serving liquor to an intoxicated person.

The two citations are key to the City Council’s stance that over-serving patrons has played a key role in the alcohol-related problems experienced in the downtown area. The problems have included drunken brawls, public drunkenness and public urination.

Police reports over the past eight months have highlighted various instances of these issues, which included an assault on a police officer last summer and another instance in which police used a Taser to detain one drunken individual who became combative. But other incidents have included women being harassed by drunken men, individuals passing out in parking lots or other public areas, and people and officers encountering individuals urinating on sidewalks, buildings and in parking lots. In addition, there have been complaints from residents and businesses about urine and vomit on sidewalks and in doorways.

The Alibi, which was granted its liquor license in early February 2012, fell under police scrutiny in mid-September after other bar owners complained that it was giving away free drinks as part of a promotion that was advertised on handbills and signs. Giving away free drinks for commercial purposes, and advertising such an activity are both prohibited by the state liquor code. The Alibi was fined $1,000 for the violations.


  • Feb. 7, 2012: St. Charles Approves Liquor License for New Downtown Establishment
  • Sept. 19, 2012: St. Charles Police Target the Alibi
  • Oct. 29, 2012: St. Charles Fines Two Bars Over Liquor Violations
  • Nov. 6, 2012: St. Charles Council Casts Jaundiced Eye on Downtown Bars
  • Feb. 14, 2013: Beehive Cited in Connection to St. Charles DUI Crash


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Karl Brubaker February 16, 2013 at 02:00 PM
Shocking..... http://awesomegifs.com/2012/07/beating-a-dead-horse/ How about an investigative story about how strange St. Charles landlords and land owners are? Shodeen and their apartments, the old St. Charles Mall, Charlestown Mall, the old Dominick's/Geneva Hardware building, Valley Shopping Center, 1st Street disaster, The Manor Restaurant, Lexington, Cardinal Industrial?
Lois Lane February 16, 2013 at 03:43 PM
Now those are some subjects I'd like to read about, excellent idea Karl, thanks!
margie February 16, 2013 at 06:39 PM
I totally agree with Karl- not that liquor control is not important to the city and its residents- downtown St Charles looks like urban blight- Magoos exterior- how did that ever happen? so unattractive and the old post office by Rookies what an eyesore- it seems to be gettting worse every week- we deserve more as residents
Billy Goat February 16, 2013 at 06:52 PM
Breaking News Alert! I am a yellow journalist. -Ted
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 16, 2013 at 07:44 PM
Billy Goat, you have no idea what yellow journalism is. I find it ironic that some here are complaining about coverage of this issue, saying it's not an issue or not important. And yet, these stories garner more reader interest -- and more reader comments -- than many of the other stories I write. Some have accused me of bias even as I report fairly on the issue, while clearly, in your own comments, you demonstrate a bias against coverage of this issue. And again, readership contradicts your statements that no one cares, that its not important. I think the facts speak for themselves, whether in terms of the complaints made to police, to the City Council, those that I hear, and those reported to the police. There certainly is a common perception that there is a problem, but it's not all on the bars and taverns. However, the finding a solution is going to be a slow, arduous process as long as folks are in denial about the issue.
Henry James February 16, 2013 at 09:29 PM
I will jump in here and say this. I know we all love this town, we like to think everything is wonderful and rosy. Its not, we have a lot of issues in our community. We need to acknowledge it, address it and get it corrected but the first step to moving forward is admitting there is a problem. Ted is just reporting what is really going on downtown. Yes I would like to see other issues get addressed at this level too like our lack of commerical businesses here, the criminal issues going on that seem to get swept under the rug all too often, etc...... But I for one am glad someone is reporting on what is happening downtown and making everyone aware of it. Now lets get working to fix it!
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM
Like most conflicts, Dillon64, this too shall pass in time. Right now, it seems like it's passing like a kidney stone, but (I hope) it can't last forever.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM
By the way, here's the blog post Dillon64 mentioned: Downtown St. Charles Drinking Issue a Thorny One: http://stcharles-il.patch.com/blog_posts/downtown-st-charles-drinking-issue-a-thorny-one
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 16, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Dillon64, I am not going to apologize for covering legitimate news. You are entitled to disagree with that, but it is a controversy that deserves coverage and has not been overdone. On average, it has been a a couple of stories a month since August. February has been more because there has been more happening on the issue -- events that are not of my making. Similarly, there was a lot of Lexington Club coverage in December-January when things were happening on that issue. In terms of St. Charles Patch getting a new editor, that could happen, I suppose, but I do not intend to leave. My superiors have been very upbeat about my performance here. A fair number of residents have let me know they are grateful for the efforts I am making. There is always room for improvement, and I strive to do so. But shoveling news under the carpet because a handful of individuals don't like it is not an improvement. I don't have a business plan for St. Charles and have no intention of running for any political office. Finally, the blog I posted was intended to encourage all parties to work together on the issue and address it from a broader viewpoint than simply blaming the bars and taverns.
David Amundson February 16, 2013 at 11:59 PM
Hang in there, Ted. I for one think you have been doing a good job covering this issue. One thing a lot of folks might want to consider is that when the bars and their patrons stop creating events that produce Police arrests, tickets, reports, and/or referrals to other gov't agencies, there will be nothing to report. The problem is not with the coverage; the problem is that there is a steady stream of material that any editor in their right mind would consider to be newsworthy.
Lois Lane February 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM
Can we please put this important but over blown subject on the back burner?! Thank you, Dillon, Billie, Margie and Karl for your responses and I am with you 100%! I am totally amazed that the mega-commentor, David Amudson, hasn't piped in on this yet! I thought an Editor's job was to edit not to become the story.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 17, 2013 at 12:40 AM
That was the case in recent decades in newspapers, Lois. Patch actually puts the editor back into the dialogue, as was the case with newspapers when they established themselves in the country. In terms of becoming the story, that's not true. Journalists taken criticism for the stories they cover. That's a fact of life when covering a contentious issue, and it is not one with which I am unfamiliar. It used to happen to me, as a reporter, when I was covering contentious issues out West. I've watched other reporters take the same kind of criticism in my 17 years as an editor for newspapers. It's no different in the new media world of the Internet, except that unlike those who post their comments anonymously, I am held accountable for what I write. At least with newspapers, a journalist's critics had to sign their names to a letter to the editor. Either way, as the journalist, I am part of the dialogue. I prefer to confine myself to making observations that some have not considered when they post a comment, or to correct remarks that are factually wrong or to point out assumptions that are unproven. In this case, people have been posing questions or criticisms related specifically to the work I have done on this issue. I have responded to those.
Karl Brubaker February 17, 2013 at 02:15 AM
Let's give Ted some serious credit. He's never insulting (Like I can be- regrettably), he personally responds to many inane comments and according to record doesn't make a pile of money for his efforts. Personally I blame AOL for producing this sure-to-fail business model. Give Ted a few grand a week to hire writers and let him get back to editing. This concept could work but there needs to be a big investment from the top. BTW, have you seen the times that Ted posts? Get some sleep old boy.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 17, 2013 at 02:43 AM
Karl, thank you. I appreciate that you post under your real name. You show a lot more guts than some of the others who do not use their names, and that speaks well of you. Also, it does not offend me that people disagree with me. It would be a strange world if everyone agreed on all things. But I am trying to do an honest job and do it well. I did not get into journalism to get rich. It's a public service. I hope Patch does succeed, but this is something new -- newspapers have shot themselves in the foot for decades and it caught up with them in respect to technology and the recession. Patch has a lot of promise, and it has been welcomed in the communities where it has been introduced. And it is actively evolving to better service those communities.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 17, 2013 at 06:05 PM
Dillin64, aside from putting words into others' mouths, I am beginning to get the very strong impression that you don't really want to be a part of the conversation but would rather manipulate it by pushing the buttons of those with whom you disagree.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 17, 2013 at 11:39 PM
I read you comment as that I was generally slamming all Patch readers who post anonymously. That is patently not true. I do question the motives of those who post under pseudonyms. Those who post with their real names demonstrate in doing so that they have the fortitude to stand behind their words. It was not a general condemnation of those who post anonymously, some of whom are very responsible about what they post. Hence my use of the term "some" in reference to that group. Your words: "Very nice.....call your readers "Gutless." Your conclusion is indiscriminate and therefore, logically flawed. My choice of words was intentionally selective. I stand by my words, not your conclusion.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM
If John Smith were your real name, yes.


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