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Beehive Cited in Connection to St. Charles DUI Crash

St. Charles Liquor Commission to consider case during Match 4 hearing.

The city has cited Killough LLC, doing business as , for its role in the events that ended with one of its patrons being charged with driving under the influence after a crash in the downtown area.

The St. Charles Liquor Commission will meet at 4:30 p.m. March 4 to consider the citations issued against the tavern.

The hearing notice states that the hearing will be held “to determine whether the St. Charles Local Liquor Control Commissioner, pursuant to his authority, shall revoke or suspend the local liquor license issued to you or impose a fine upon you, or both, by reason of the Complaint Of Violation filed by the Chief of Police, James Lamkin, a copy of which is attached.”

In an email, Mayor Donald DeWitte said the notice and summons were delivered Thursday morning to The Beehive.

Specifically, the documents state that from about 11 p.m. on Jan. 31 through 1:20 a.m. on Feb. 1, The Beehive permitted an intoxicated person to loiter there and that the establishment served or delivered alcoholic beverage to an intoxicated person, both in violation of the city’s liquor ordinances as they pertain to the establishment’s Class B3 liquor license.

Those two accusations relate to the incident involving a patron who left The Beehive early on Feb. 1 and shortly afterward drove her vehicle into the back of a parked car on the 100 block of South 3rd Street. Kathryn Dale Doepke, 22, of the 100 block of South 3rd Street, subsequently was charged with driving under the influence of alcohol, DUI with a blood-alcohol content greater than .08, and improper lane use.

Related:

  • Feb. 6, 2013: Will DUI Crash Fuel Fire for St. Charles Tavern Association?
  • Feb. 6, 2013: What Police Reported to the St. Charles Liquor Commission

But the citation against The Beehive also points to a second incident, at 12:20 a.m. Feb. 2 in which the tavern is accused of selling alcoholic liquor from the licensed premises, in violation of the limitations of its Class B3 liquor license, as set forth in Chapter 5.08, Sections 5.08.090 and 5.08.040 of the City of St. Charles Municipal Code.

Police said Friday that the second complaint is related to an incident at 12:20 a.m. Feb. 2 in which an officer on foot patrol met a man in the 00-99 block of North 3rd Street with a 24-ounce bottle of Miller beer. The individual was issued a warning for possessing alcohol in a public place. He told police he had walked out the front door of The Beehive and that no one said anything. The city’s iquor ordinance allows consumption of alcohol on the premises only.

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Ted Schnell (Editor) February 15, 2013 at 07:57 AM
Mark, so far, most, if not all the questions I've had posed to be about this have been addressed in the police report and the stories I've posted.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 15, 2013 at 09:00 AM
Mark, The Chili's incident was in the Patch -- I believe I posted it as a recent blotter item.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 15, 2013 at 09:03 AM
If there was a report released about the incident you mention at McNally's, I would have seen it, Mark. I do not recall having seen one, but if it were true, it might not have been particularly newsworthy. Someone could have had a heart attack or choked on a piece of ice, for example, and required an ambulance. On the other hand, if it was a fight and the investigation was ongoing, I would not expect to see the report or get the details until charges were filed or the investigation otherwise concluded. For example, the incident in which two gay men and woman were attacked by a group of people occurred in early January. Police did not issue the reports on that until charges were filed. This is a matter of fact for journalists. Some information is not released immediately because of the legal hoops police and prosecutors must go through in preparing a case.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 15, 2013 at 09:40 AM
Hey Francis, If you read the Patch’s blotter, you will notice that I write about people getting arrested for DUI, and cited with public drunkenness, public fighting and public urination. So there is and has been reporting of the personal responsibility issues. In fact, these reports have occurred with far greater frequency than the stories about the alcohol-related problems that prompted the city’s crackdown on bars. I've also reported that the city increased its fines as it relates to the pertinent offenses, which also reflects back directly on the personal accountability issues that come into play in this debate.
Mark White February 15, 2013 at 11:10 AM
Ted, can you please take the time to address the other issuers from the previous comments.... If they are not addressed I feel all the people that have made comments will feel that there is special treatment being made, one way or the other... I want people to know the Patch is only about the facts and there is no special treatment being made to any specific party...
Mark White February 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Issues that need to be addressed: Chilies - passed out patron ? McNally - passed out patron? Not sure why neither of these made the Patch? Ted - sorry for giving you more work to do but I'm hoping you can shed some light on these issues for us....
Mark White February 15, 2013 at 11:38 AM
Sorry Ted. Just saw your comment that Chili's was in the Patch... I missed that article. Can you fill me and the public in on the outcome from the liquor commissioner on that issue? Hope I didn't miss the article on McNally's also??
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM
Hey Mark, I don't recall writing an article or seeing a report yet on McNally's -- and, like I said, if it was not really a news story, I won't bother. As the saying goes, "If a dog bites a man, that's not news. But if a man bites a dog ..." I do intend to follow up on what happens with the liquor commission. I am as interested to see how this unfolds as anybody because I don't honestly know what to expect.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 15, 2013 at 12:08 PM
By the way, Mark, I try very hard to be fair to everyone -- I listen to each side, try to understand facts vs. perceptions, and just try to make sense of things to learn the truth. I don't play favorites -- that's an issue of integrity, and I'm not one to compromise on that. I'm also not one to back away from the truth and reporting the truth. Some people resent that because they believe perception is truth. That is never guaranteed.
SportzFan February 15, 2013 at 12:57 PM
I also wonder why no citation was issued to Chilies for overserving or allowing an intoxicated customer to remain it the bar area to sleep. Would any bar in Downtown St. Charles get that kind of break?
babyj February 15, 2013 at 02:49 PM
I as a bartender know that we are required to get certification prior to serving in st charles and are trained to watch for drunks and not overserve and know when to cut someone off. I also know that there are many times that i have seen people overserved or come in to a bar already overserved. they could go as far here as citing the actual bartender here. I think however they chose the establishement because they probably have more money. i agree that the cop should have approached the young lady when she fell just to ask if she was alright and at that point if he felt she was intoxicated he could have taken preventitive action and she would have never got into that car. but as the someone already mentioned there is way more revenue in a DUI. we need to be thankful she hit a parked car and that no one was injured, it could have been worse. or if the roads were slick enough for her to fall, maybe she slid into the parked car.... I am a bit dissappointed in the stc officer who didnt stop her from driving and didnt "protect" the community.. I feel that if they are going to partol those areas then they need to be trying to prevent as many possible dui's or accidents as possible... that would be part of my description of "protect and serve" the community
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 15, 2013 at 05:40 PM
As I wrote earlier in this thread, "... Chili’s called police after serving dinner to the guy, who already was intoxicated but insisted on ordering beer despite being refused. Proactive effort by the establishment, a bit of mercy shown by the police. Sounds square to me."
Lois Lane February 15, 2013 at 10:44 PM
I strongly agree with babyj that the StC officer that saw this young lady fall down after leaving the Beehive and did not go over and checkout the situation was remiss in his duties. How obvious does it have to be to figure out she shouldn't be getting behind the wheel? So much trouble could have been avoided, for her, for the courts, for the person who's car she hit, and save ALOT of people from spending time commenting on this issue. Also I'd like to add that as the person that reported this story, Ted, you certainly became very defensive when readers would comment on your past reports. These articles are for the readers to comment on not you. As far as I can see you commented at least 12 times Ted, now come on....surely you must have had other things to do today!
Michael Mak February 15, 2013 at 11:00 PM
DUI'S, Have been , more about making money, than Safety. If they really cared , they would of installed breathalyzers at bars, years ago. So now , if I share a bottle of wine over the course of a couple hours with a big dinner on a Saturday night with my girlfriend, and drink responsibly, I still might blow a .08 and still get the same DUI Ticket, lose license etc. , like the above mentioned. SOMETHING IS REALLY WRONG ABOUT DUI LAWS !!! BUT NO ONE WANTS TO ADMIT IT.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 15, 2013 at 11:24 PM
Lois, you are mistaken. One of my responsibilities at Patch is to be a moderator on these threads, and I take that responsibility very seriously, particularly when facts are misrepresented or opinions are stated as facts when other information, in this case police reports, indicates otherwise. This is a community dialogue, and as local editor, I am a part of the community. Also, I think you may be confusing my passion for truth, open-mindedness and fairness with defensiveness. I've read the police reports firsthand, which offers factual insights as opposed to the speculations that inevitably arise in dialogues like this. The report in this incident noted that the woman slipped and fell in the snow. That obviously caught the officer's attention, but she got back up and was on her way. You and others say the officer was remiss in not checking. That may be true, or it may be Monday morning quarterbacking based on hindsight and second-guessing the officer's judgment call. Yet the report does not spell out what else the officer was watching at the moment the woman fell. It records the officer's observations as they pertained to the woman later charged with DUI. In the interest of fairness, I try not to rush to judgment on any issue, more so when facts are being misrepresented, whether intentionally or not. High emotions skew perceptions, and there are a lot of emotions running at fever pitch on this issue.
Karl Brubaker February 16, 2013 at 12:30 AM
Thousands of people die from the flu every year. Is that an epidemic? Maybe. How many patrons grace Downtown St. Charles businesses on a Friday or Saturday night? 1,000? More? Of course there will be some bad apples. By the sheer volume of people these incidents will happen. Ted, if not for you and one extremely whiny "Crusader" this whole thing would be a non issue. And yes, I know several downtown businesses and have never hear one complaint about the bar scene. P.S. You and Captain "I hate Everything St. Charles" should have been here in 1986 when the Arthur Anderson people were drinking $8 yards of Miller Lite at Scotland Yard every night. Now THAT was a mess of a city.
Michael Mak February 16, 2013 at 01:09 AM
Well said, Karl !
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 16, 2013 at 01:43 AM
Karl, I did not create this issue, nor did the Crusader you mention. I suspect I know who you mean. Your assertion that few are complaining about the problem is an opinion you are entitled to but for which there seems to be little more than anecdotal evidence. The mayor and the City Council brought out this issue in August, for a second time in the past year, and there seems to be consensus among them that this is an issue to the community. They apparently have heard some complaints. I've heard complaints, too, from residents and businesses, about the alcohol-fueled issues downtown. Further, that residents are calling the police to respond to criminal activity in the area is another contradiction of your assertion that complaints are few. People generally don’t call police just to chat.
Steve Rogers February 16, 2013 at 02:04 AM
Ted, I've got to agree with Karl on this one. I used to enjoy coming to Patch several times a week. I can tolerate the occasional story about bars. Now, it seems like every time that I visit, you've got a new story about downtown bar activity. Are you looking to report the news or make it? There's a lot of great stuff going on in St. Charles and I suggest that you diversify your coverage. There are a lot of residents who know the downtown and understand that having a successful nightlife comes with its share of issues. As long as the police can handle it, it's not news. Move along, please.
Karl Brubaker February 16, 2013 at 02:30 AM
You didn't create the issue (nor did He) but you both certainly perpetuate it. There are so many great things you could write about in St. Charles yet every week we hear the constant carping about the bars and drunks and accidents. I'm welcome to my opinion so- give it a rest. Now take a short trip out to The Bike Rack and do a story about Creative Mobility. Let other people wallow in their beer hating misery. St. Charles is a great town. Stop dumping on it and show the positives.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 16, 2013 at 03:18 AM
Steve, it certainly night have seemed that way last week. I wrote a fair amount about it, then wrote a blog on top of it, largely in response to a few who accused me of being biased against the bars when, in fact, I am not. Still, the nature of news is to cover the issue until it is resolved. This one is not, at least not yet. I have no way of knowing how long this will drag out, or if it will go away quickly. I'll be glad when it dies down because there are other things to write about, other stories to tell. And Karl, I agree with you that St. Charles is a great town. I've felt that for a long time. But it's not perfect. Reporting on discord when it occurs is not dumping, it's being honest about the community. I kind of value that, a lot.
Dan Klinkhamer February 16, 2013 at 05:57 AM
No issue if the cops would have walked over to her, determined she was not fit to drive and worked out a solution to get her home safely...Whatever happened to problem solving? That is how I would have handled this...Simple common sense, objectivity and a little compassion...
Lois Lane February 16, 2013 at 03:58 PM
I totally agree with Dan and Karl. It's time to move off this subject. I too saw what would happen in town when the Arthur Andersen (androids) would decend on Scotland Yard and Danny Boy's, now that was ugly! Recently I sent an email to Ted asking if he knew what was going on at the Vertical Drop. I was concerned because they didn't have their usual Winter displays in the windows (skis etc...). Instead of saying he'd look into it and get back to me he told me to call the store and find out. I'm not the reporter here, and I was bringing him a potential story. Guess Ted was too busy looking into intrigue at the Beehive and Alibi.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 16, 2013 at 08:45 PM
Lois, I use my real name when I post on the Internet, send emails and write letters. That makes me accountable to others for the words I use. I am curious why the name you use to publicly vilify me is not the same one on the email you sent re: Vertical Drop. I get a many emails like that every week. Your Jan. 11 email to me asked a simple question that you easily could have answered yourself. Think about that — you're holding a grudge against me on this because you wanted me to make a phone call you could have made yourself. St. Charles is a large community for one person to cover. I often find myself wishing I could clone myself so I could do more, but I can't. So I set priorities daily, like everyone does. The question you posed about Vertical Drop did not make the cut. Finally, Lois, I am trying to do the best I can to be the best Patch local editor for St. Charles that I can be. In that regard, I have heard some great feedback in that regard. I intend to continue serving this community as best I can as a journalist, a a Patch local editor.
Sandy February 17, 2013 at 04:02 AM
Ted is probably too busy covering a large news area............sorry he can't cater to your every wish Princess..........I wouldn't be sarcastic at all about this......if you hadn't felt it necessary to add that slam at the end of your note Lois. But it does goes with the general "feel" of the comments here. Everyone is moaning about the drunk lady and telling us what "they would have done" ya right. Comments as to why didn't the cops help her blahblahblah. THIS is what our society has become?............noone taking responsibility for their actions, everyone blaming someone else. She was drunk by her own accord..........next you people will be starting a facebook donation page for her defense..................
Ricky5 February 18, 2013 at 01:40 PM
Well done Ted. I agree with you about lazy Lois and her fake name. How about the bottom line being this girl drank too much and made a personal decision to drive....period. Ted, keep up the great work!
Francis Glass February 19, 2013 at 07:25 PM
Princess? Lazy Lois? Wow, what's with that? How silly. I don't hear anyone in any of the comments I've read moaning about the drunk lady. My comment (and many others that I have read here) relate to the fact that the Beehive was cited and "being held accountable". And, perhaps they should be -- I don't know if she drank in their bar (or was just in their bar after being somewhere else) or if they purposely over served her to make a buck or not. All I know from what I've read is that she left the bar and was observed by an officer from the time she left, fell down, got up, then walked to her car, then drove somewhat erratically, and then hit a parked car. At that time, the officer approached her. If the officer did not see reasonable cause or evidence that she was drunk until she hit the car and approached her, why is a bar supposed to know so much more about her state? Apparently, she didn't seem that bad off. I am all for personable responsibility -- hold this woman accountable. "She was drunk by her own accord" -- Agreed!, "this girl drank too much and made a personal decision to drive". Agreed! (If Lois were to simply use the name Lois or Lois5 would you feel better?)
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 19, 2013 at 10:23 PM
Francis, you raise a point I raised in a blog post on this, and I think, in some of the comment threads. Some folks "hold their liquor" better than others, and I wonder how reasonable it is to expect a bartender to be able to see whether they've had too much to drink. I know there is training involved here, but I also know there are a fair number of hoops police must go through on a DUI arrest -- field sobriety tests, as I read about them, are a pretty complicated affair to a laymen like me.
Francis Glass February 19, 2013 at 10:36 PM
I agree, Ted -- it is not always easy to tell if someone has had too much to drink (even for someone who is trained to see the signs) as some people do hold it very well. Some people can also seem fine and then have one more drink and they are out of it. It can be a fine line for any establishment.
Ted Schnell (Editor) February 19, 2013 at 11:52 PM
This highlights one of the issues the bars and taverns face. I'll be meeting with Steve Baginski next week to hear what he's got to say, and perhaps some other tavern owners as well. As I've said before, this is a thorny issue. One commenter suggested breathalyzer machines in the bars and taverns, which sounds like a cool idea on its face, but its expensive -- and prone to unexpected consequences. When I was in college, there were a couple of bars that tried that and yanked them out after about six months because patrons were using them to see who could "score" the highest on blood-alcohol content, which was very counterproductive.

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